Can you set that example with ḃ ċ ḋ ḟ ġ ṁ ṗ ṡ ṫ instead of bh ch dh fh gh mn ph sh th?

I dislike the w's still. The lower-case d will have to be like the upper-cased d or it will not take the dot of lenition properly. Also you are missing the insular r, ꞃ, and you should show the Tironian et ⁊ in the last line replacing "agus".

Andreas... for what this is worth :-)

Try and bring the exterior "stems" of the W in a bit. i.e. curve them in slightly. I think the "h" is a bit overdone, it does not have to curve in as much to give the same effect. You could also use the sane approach on the n and m.

I really like where you are going with this tho! Good job. You might want to take a look at Victor Hammer's work. He dedicated much time to these forms.

another sans I like
http://www.ludwiguebele.de/elements/fontPDF/52/fontPDF.pdf

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Michael, thanks for converting. There is a bug with the dotted b. Just noticed I had it wrong encoded :-O Whrrroaaaghgh damn

I’m aware of the insular r; I’ll add it. How is it used? With an ambivalence similar to the usage of s/longs in German?

h m n w / H M N W – now I wonder if those should be shaped adequately, be it straight-ended or curved. Straight mM and nN seem to be good practise in many fonts. So the curve should be abandoned in hH and wW too? That would mean hardly another choice for your disliked W, Michael.

Victor Hammer's work. He dedicated much time to these forms.
… as did I. With Andron ;-)

(L. Uebele): yes, Walhalla sans has much to it. Though it’s not Irish but continental.

No do not abandon the hmnw originals. You can just curve the stems a bit. Like I said the h has almost to much of a curve. A little goes a long way.

Here ya go. Very quickly sketched, not my usual way of making letters. But it is my point...less is better.

Sure you’re right, the H had a very strong curve.
However, I don’t think I will make all the stems ‘a bit’ curved, at least not at nN and mMm. I’ve redrawn the H. And tried out a new W.
What would you say to this:

The bowl of the k should be higher. What about a double story a... half uncial was an early user of this?

The top bars on the o,u,y would echo the t!

Love the w... the n and m still do not carry the flavour of the time tho. H is still to demonstrative for me but it is yours.

The problem with the H is that it does not have the exit stroke prevelant in Uncial to visually pull it out. That is why I believe it should be more subtle like above.

The M and N look more like a modern day sans... I guess that is what I am saying.

In a font like this I would double and cross two Vs for the Ws. Often the lower-case r can serve as the right half of the k.

Oh, by the way, don't forget to add Wynns to your font. Some Gaelic type made use of this in place of W.

There are of course differences between Uncial faces and a Gaelic ones, Typerror.

Michael

That is why I put the 2 story k up there! The cross(over) is a good idea.

I know of the differences Michael. But the buying public is a lot less discerning, but look for the "flavour."

double and cross two Vs for the Ws

this is the default W-shape in the Lapidaria fonts.
If I recall correctly Ws don’t appear in Irish Gaelic. So we can’t go into manuscripts for reference. But it does appear in … Welsh, Breton, …? What about the W tradition there?

add Wynns to your font

oh yes. what about the yogh? Others?

Ws do of course occur, in personal names in texts. Also there is the loanword "wigwam". (I kid you not.)

Gaelic faces were not used for Welsh or Breton.

I still think that VV is better than UU for W in Gaelic faces.

also for the lowercase/middlecase? vv instead of uu?

Yes, that's my own preference.

Now, look here.

Cheers, A. St.

Apologies for hijacking an old thread. The forum does not allow me to make new threads.

Evertype & Wikipedia both claim the ⁊ – tironian et sign (U+204A) – is used in contemporary Gaelic*, even when following the modern orthography without the insular letters and with letter+h instead of the dotted lenited consonants. I have searched all over for sources to confirm this, to no avail. Does anyone know if this is actually true?

* “Whenever Irish Gaelic is written, whether in the Gaelic variant or in the Roman variant of the Latin script, the TIRONIAN SIGN ET (…) is commonly found in place of the AMPERSAND &. ”