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List of words - kerning

Joel Santos

Hi there!
Maybe some of you have seen my "typoholic" node but i'm constructing another typeface, something i've been working for a while already.
Well, i'm on the kerning phase so i ask you. Do you have any list of words too see if you have all the kernings correct?

There’s always Kern King.

It would be really great to see some non-English lists!

Interesting... didn't know this...

My teacher uses a good method. He is like a text with the problematic words then he codes something like "right side of a is equal to ..." and he just kerns once some letters and so see what i mean? Then he tries on the preview of FontLab the problematic words and so.
Anyway, i was looking for a lit of problematic words and so and how to code that thing of "right side" "left side" i never coded opentype, already coded a lot of stuff like PHP, HTML, AS and so on and on but never opentype.

Joel Santos // youremin
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You can use my test text generator and boost the kerning pairs. You may get better results if you also boost the letters and pairs. It also works with non-english letters, like this.

yes but on your text generator you don't have the kerning cases it will give me a bunch of words. I'm not saying bad of your work, no, i do really appreciate that test generator and already used it before! My teacher told me to sometime ago.
Your text generator can be a way to see if everything works for example but not tell me the critique kerning cases.

Joel Santos // youremin
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oh and other thing... how can i say that a character is equal to other (on kerning) so i can say that "a" is equal to "ã"

Joel Santos // youremin
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Has anyone ever created a Fontlab macro that fills the metrics window with random text?

yes... that would be really great...

Joel Santos // youremin
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You really have to spin through every possible pair. For example, only "u" follows "q," right? Ever set transliterated Chinese? Or how about "g" following a cap "Y"? Seem odd? Well, the name of King Arthur's mom is "Ygraine."

You need a bunch of letters in the kern window, so as not to fool your eye. I start with an "e", follow it with the leading character, then the character to be kerned, then several other letters. For example, starting out with lower case,

eaalestying

where the letter I'm kerning is "a" (the first one). The second letter (also an "a" above) is the trailing one of the pair. Just use the keyboard to change & kern the second letter (from "a" to "b" through "z"), then change the first letter to "b" & continue on. In FontLab, the fastest is to also use the keyboard for entering the kern values. You have increments of plus/minus 100, 10 and 1 quickly available.

Don't forget punctuation, esp. periods, commas, and the quote marks. And BTW, most of us don't consider an apostrophe an accent. Give it some space. Another thing to look out for are prefixes and word endings. I usually find the "n"& "g" in "ing" need a touch. Try several words ending in "ing".

etc.

FWIW

interesting... like a workoholic but interesting...

Joel Santos // youremin
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oh and other thing... how can i say that a character is equal to other (on kerning) so i can say that “a” is equal to “ã”

Use kerning classes!

Jens

kerning classes? sorry... i'm a bit noob...

Joel Santos // youremin
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eliason, link is not working.

Joel Santos // youremin
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http://www.vimeo.com/681300
doing it already :) thanks

Joel Santos // youremin
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This might help?

http://www.typophile.com/node/45215
http://www.typophile.com/node/45216

Though you should operationalize what you mean by "correct."

youremin, do you have the FontLab manual? It can be downloaded from their website. Even though it may look a bit intimidating at first (>900 pages), but it is really useful.

Yes i do have but ... YES INTIMIDATING ehehe but i've already managed myself! :) thanks anyway

Joel Santos // youremin
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"Automatic Text" is really fantastic when kerning and spacing, if not to say brilliant.

http://typophile.com/node/38539

And... learn how to use classes in a clever way – you'll save 75% of the time on that investment.

hmmmmmmm

Joel Santos // youremin
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An example, if you space all the different quote-glyphs in a similar way, they can share one single class, so you dont have to spend so much time on them.

Normally I think it is enough to give them a little kern here and there against certain key letters that they colide with or are too far apart from.
Just an example, the rest you'll have to figure out for your self, that is the best way to learn ;-)

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