Looks like Carolus Roman (free font DaFont once published by Image Club) but heavier - perhaps custom bold version

thank you very very much, and yeah i believe it must be a bolder version of this font.

According to the Image Club "placeholder" page*, "Monotype Imaging now holds the keys to the Image Club type collection." Assuming that's true, I would avoid recommending/using Carolus Roman.

*http://imageclub.org

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So anyone using an Image Club typeface is now breaking the law? Can Monotype legally pursue users of Image Club’s previous products for payment?

No, I meant it's probably not legal and/or ethical to use the free one from Dafont.

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It's based on the calligraphy by Kerstin Anckers.

Paul Shaw's Stockholm is another (newer?) digital version of it. But anyway, neither Kerstin Anckers nor Paul Shaw are getting any money from the licenses royalties.... so....

*More info available on Paul's blog.

Royalties, shmroyalties - pay them directly.

And paying yourself by not paying for a font is the least ethical thing to do.

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Hrant, I'm not suggesting that.
Only pointing out that the designers are not getting any money.. even if people buy the legal version

I do agree that paying the designers directly is the best thing to do.

Regarding legal, does binding documentation surrounding the use of Carolus Roman from DaFont exist? It’s very easy to misinterpret comments as false allegations.

It's based on the calligraphy by Kerstin Anckers.

Most sources credit Karl-Erik Forsberg for Carolus (including Paul Shaw).

The Carolus Roman from Dafont is from a scan (see screen shot below). The Image Club version I am sure from what I know would be more professional and cleaned up, although it may have been from a scan of calligraphy too. I do not have the Image Club version to check but below is the top of the O in the Dafont version

One thing I like about TypeIDs is that, occasionally, they bring forgotten gems back to our attention.

Bob, thanks for doing that. So the Dafont one is legal in the US. But then there's [much of] the rest of the world, not to mention something much more important than Law: ethics.

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Actually, I do think it comes from Karl-Eric Forsberg and can be seen in a sample on pages 64 and 65 (called Carolus) of ABC of Lettering and Printing Typefaces, by Erik Lindegren, American Edition: Greenwich House, NY 1982. Not sure if this is the source of theDaFont scan. Carolus by Forsberg is also mentioned on page 204 of The Art of Written Forms: The Theory and Practice of Calligraphy byDonald M. Young, Holt,Rinehardt and Winston, 1969

Cool. Then anybody who uses Carolus Roman should pay Forsberg's heirs, or the publisher of his books, or anybody who deserves it more than himself (this includes Monotype BTW, since they do a lot of good for type). Even a donation to something like TypeCon would be cool.

BTW, those are two great books.

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Carolus was issued by Berling Type Foundry
(info from web) The Berling Type Foundry was a Danish type foundry established before 1750 in Copenhagen. Johann Gottfried Pöetzsch was manager of the Berling typefoundry from 1753 until his death in 1783. The foundry was reëstablished in Lund, Sweden in 1837 and cast foundry type until 1980

Great info. Historically, type foundry assets have been picked up by some party or other (sometimes in far-flung lands) and not abandoned. For example the Amsterdam Foundry's designs are now under the ownership of Neufville in Barcelona.

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So did Image Club seek out Forsberg (died 1995) or the later owners of the Berling Type Foundry designs for permission - does not look like it. See this link for a interesting history of Image Club:

http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-27896.html

“So the Dafont one is legal in the US..
Where does it say that DaFont’s typefaces can only be used in the US (or have I misunderstood)?

“(info from web)…”
Link?

What I meant was that Dafont's Carolus Roman seems to be legal in the US, because distributing a traced scan of a font is not illegal in the US.

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I’m actually quite happy to have seen that photograph. I have a presentation coming up, and I wanted to make reference to a television show by setting name of the talk in that typeface used for the show.

I found it for free, downloaded is and…

1. Got a funky “this font might screw with your computer” upon opening it
2. After outlining it, I noticed it was all wonky.

I was quite confused. This has been a educational experience.

Is there a defined copyright length for typefaces after the designers death?

Chris: Google Berling Type Foundry

Is there a defined copyright length for typefaces after the designers death?

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice: I believe copyright for typefaces is only 25 years in Europe. Israel has artistic copyrights (Microsoft lost a lawsuit over this recently) and there may be other rights (design rights, design patents, and special German court appointed rights)

The font ID originally requested here is also available as Adobe's Sava family.

The traced 'Carolus' at Dafont was unleashed years ago by Fontazia

Sava is nothing like that sample, or any of the fonts mentioned here. Fortunately.

As for the "years ago" thing, I'm not sure how that's relevant.

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