Typophile

Can I change the order of font weights displayed in font menus?

Nikabrik

I purchased a font the other day, and when I went to use it in one of the Adobe CS programs, there's no rhyme or reason to the order of the font weights.

Typically for other large font families (including widths and weights) I see them listed like this:

Light Condensed
Light Condensed Italic
... etc ...
Medium
Medium Italic
... etc ...
Black Extended
Black Extended Italic

But this font I bought is WAY off from this. It was from a pretty decent-sized foundry, so I was really surprised. It makes it really difficult to use. (Take a look at the attached file).

So my question: Can I fix this somehow on my end and rearrange them? I've got Suitcase Fusion 3, but that's it for font-specific software.

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Theunis de Jong

Adobe software uses the internal data of a font to determine the best sorting order: width, weight, slant. Condensed fonts come before regular and extended, light fonts before regular and bold.
Since this is data inside the font file itself, you cannot tinker with Suitcase settings, the font foundry has to set the correct values.

In this case it seems the Pantone flags are probably wrong, or possibly all left as "default".

Karl Stange

As I understand it, the combination of weight number (e.g., 250, 300, 700) and OpenType naming (nameID 17 and 18) are the primary settings that Adobe software uses to sort weight/style ordering in menus. However you would need to modify the font data in order to change this and thus permission from the foundry/copyright holder if permission is not explicitly given through their EULA.

Jens Kutílek

permission from the foundry/copyright holder if permission is not explicitly given through their EULA.

You could also consider these fonts broken and request a fixed version from the foundry. If they failed to provide such a version, I wouldn’t hesitate to fix them myself.

Karl Stange

The listing does contain internal logic though, even if it does not conform to Adobe menu conventions. I would be intrigued to see what results you found when using the fonts in MS Word, Open Office Writer or a native Microsoft (WordPad) or Apple (TextEdit) application, for example.

Hrant H Papazian

If they failed to provide such a version, I wouldn’t hesitate to fix them myself.

Exactly a case where ignoring a EULA's no-mod clause is totally OK.

hhp

Nikabrik

I totally would, but I have no idea how to go in and edit that font data.

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