penumbra flare?

... i honestly believe its a combination. the reason i am saying this is comparing just the M and the Q
The M appears to be Geometric 415
whereas the Q would be something like kievit...

I suspect you've got it with Penumbra Flare, johndiggity. I think the Q is modified and the tiny serifs have been clipped off.

No, it's not Penumbra Flare. That would be Hypatia Sans.
http://www.thomasphinney.com/2010/05/hypatia-sans-typeface-shipping/

Cheers,

T

Ah, thanks Thomas! Congratulations on your font being used as the face for a University!

Thanks! That's the second one that I know of, also in use by Pacific University http://www.pacificu.edu/

Cheers,

T