I think Adobe apps have their own folder of cached fonts. Are you on Mac or Windows?

I think some of the Adobe fonts that they bundle with their suite are autoactivated by the Adobe application and may not even be available to other apps. Maybe Mr. Phiney is lurking and can set me straight on it? (or maybe Thomas is busy squeezing his sweet baybe as much as possible). :-)

ChrisL

i wondered about this bottom of the menu thing too and i think i was told it was an encoding thing. i hope (for your and my sakes) that someone comes along and does a better job explaining this phenom.

Funny that AB is misspelled in your font menu, Tiff. When you did a search, did you search for 'Boecklin' or 'Bocklin'?

Why would you ever want poor old Arnold off your menu anyway ;-)

I'd also be curious [with the rest of you] why Brioso appears beneath the CJK fonts. Funkytown.

In Windows, there's a way to create 'artificial' fonts in your registry. Not sure if a similar thing exists on OSX or not...

artificial fonts? what do you mean?

For Arnold Boecklin, I'd do searches for shorter parts of the name, like "Arnol" and "Boe" in file names. (Thanks to the naming conventions of Type 1 fonts.)

The correct spelling uses an o with dieresis (umlaut) not oe or plain o. So these are just different renderings of the full name.

As for Brioso's place in font menus, that's just a bug. It may be partly the OS's fault, but we hope to fix it in future releases of our affected applications.

Finally, I think Nathan is referring to a registry hack that allows a font which has extended langauge support to show up as several "virtual" single-byte fonts. So instead of just Brioso Pro, you could get also "Brioso Pro (CE)" and so on as separate fonts that would work like single-byte fonts in non-Unicode apps.

Regards,

T

These "virtual fonts" that Thomas mentioned make it possible for applicatios like QuarkXPress, that are only capable of accessing the first 256 chars in any font, to properly access different codepages in multilingual OpenTypes. Under MacOS X this would be just as vital - does anybody know a similar workaround?

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, and that's also what I use it for. It's a pretty handy hack when you [unfortunately] need it.

Oleg:

No, there's no equivalent hack on the Mac AFAIK. Also, note that QXP would presumably only work with this in the "Passport" version; last I looked, the regular version of QXP suppresses all single-byte fonts that identify themselves as other than WinANSI/MacRoman.

Cheers,

T

Thomas, thanx for the reply. What you said of QXP was true of versions 4 and 5, but some brains here in Russia hacked that a with an OS 9 system extension - I can share it if anyone needs. But QXP 6.1 under OS X seems to have no problem handling Cyrilic and CE fonts, at least those created by FL4.6. I will recheck that tomorrow - not sure if the version I used was single-language and not Passport.

As for that Mac hack I was asking about, there definitely is something, the question is whether it can be put to easy use: on a MacOS X system with a cyrillic keyboard layout installed, the LucidaGrande font, while represented as a single file, shows in font menus as 2 instances: LucidaGrande and LucidaGrande CY simultaneously. It's not a regular OpenType though, but a datafork TruType...Keeps me wondering.

I should add that the pesky little thing only shows up in Illustrator (CS)

I'm on a mac. I have done a search and the copy of it which I have is in my fonts folder at the root not activated. I looked where you've shown, John, and nothing like that resides in my folder.

Let's see if the BUILD area bring me any luck.
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I'm curious about two things. First, the initial post. Why is Arnold Bocklin loaded into illyCS and where is it so I can get rid of it. Second, should Brioso Pro be at the bottom of the menu?

I suppose that makes sense. :^/ I'm just one of those people that likes as much organization as possible. I really shouldn't be on a computer at all. :^/

I was at first searching for a different spelling. But had no luck either way. :^/

This is where mine is. Just do a search. CS came bundled with some fonts, like Myriad Pro.