I don't respond to this command. Normally I'm very aware that the client has to be happy AND the design has to work. But I won't stretch type, and I do complain when asked.

In this case though, it's not like you will be messing up a corporate identity or something major.

This is why I keep Helvetica around with its condensed, compressed and other unholy incarnations. If the client really could care less, at least I can fit whatever they throw at me without doing damage to the type.

I don't think it's either proper or smart to just refuse to do it - but if you offer an alternative (after explaining the necessity), like suggesting to redraw the type to fit the measure without distortion, then that's great.

hhp

Any designer with an iota of moral fibre would refuse.

Unfortunately, all clients are not considerate or sophisticated enough to understand what they are paying you to do.

I hyperbolize a bit about complaining, but then some people only understand compliance or noncompliance.

I think Tiffany is fortunate to work at a level and position where collaboration and respect trump submission and dominance.

I will say that it is so rare that I take a strong stance, that when I do it is noticed. Which battles to pick now?

Clearly I feel empathic about Richard's position. From a larger perspective, I also find a strong correlation between the success of a project and the degree to which a client is confident enough to let me do my job.

is "Squooshed" trademarked now? I didn't know!

LOL! you better make sure you have that TM in the bag now, Miss Tiffany! Or i may try to preempt you and get

One way around the thorny client issue is to remind them that in the future if you need to make a change to a file, or someone else has to make a change, there might not be any way of telling how much the type was squooshed. So for safety sake, just use a normal condensed face.

I shall certainly use a compressed or condensed Helvetica to do this. It was just about the limit first thing this morning.

The particular irony is that these reflective badges are intended to be fixed to high visibility personal protection garments. High visibility, but just about zero legibility.

The lower badge is actually quite a good example of the apalling effect that squooshing

can I see a picture of the hearing dog puppies? I bet that they are soooooooooooooo cute!

I hope they dont sew those badges directly onto those puppies. Ouch.

Draft 1. I'll run this past the client for approval without comment and see what they say.



Apparently the text in the original upper badge was supposed to be centred!

Our contract is to supply only, so I don't know about sewing them directly on to the puppies David, but we can offer a heat applied alternative if you think that might be kinder.

Couldn't they brand them? Easier than sewing labels on 'em!

> Couldn't they brand them?

The deaf people? Or the puppies? Ew.

When one of my clients has asked it only happens once. Even my boss knows to ask for some more condensed verus squooshing what is used.

When a client does ask I do not complain, but I do tease them a little and then I show them, educate them, to what the difference is in squooshing what we are using or finding a condensed version that will work (or another option altogether).

I am happy that I have such good relationships with my clients that they want to learn and understand. I like to think that they want what is best, and they see that I do feel this way which makes them in turn want what is best.

James, trust me, I'm a glorified production artist, that is all. I was simply trying to point out that if one takes the stance of an educator -- someone who shares the reasons why -- then that persons clients will come to expect their designer to choose the best and want to show them why as well.

Yes, and if you use it without a proper license I'll sue you. And if you use the word in something you try to trademark I'll sue you.

Hehe. Just kidding. Guess I shouldn't joke like that. It is bound to get me into trouble.

Richard,

If a client sends you crap like this and they don't know it's crap...
Why would they even notice that you've fixed it for them. There's
not even a need for discussion. Just use Helvetica Condensed
and get it over with. (You don't even have to educate them.)