The first one reminds me of the typeface Hubert Jocham designed for Frank magazine,
but on his site he shows only an italic face.
Where is the sample from, a fashion magazine?
wow! Mark posted a sample on another type ID thread but your sample looks heavier and wider. The letterforms are very similar, though.
That would be Self Service Magazine, a Parisian fashion mag. The art direction is by Work in Progress, so maybe they know.
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