And... if you try with Century expanded?
Why not?

Surely why not, however as I said, probably gunning for a nice sans serif, I appreciate the suggestion though. Perhaps as a secondary, but probably will not fly.

hoping for a slightly rougher / humanist sans... Papyrus!

;^/

Nick Cooke

I hear you, guess I am asking a slightly annoying question on this one!

To your point Nick, his current type / logo is Papyrus!

I suppose to revise this inquiry, I would not say Humanist, just a slightly rougher nice sans out there, if there is anything that has come around of late.

Understandable to let this post rest though I suppose. Thanks.

There are only few quality "sans" (more or less the same number of the quality "serif").
Futura, Helvetica, Univers, Gill Sans, Fruriger, Meta, Rotis, Eurostile... Scala.
Maybe also Avant Garde sounds good on wooden surfaces.
But if you're looking for something "rougher" you must use a serif. Mantinia by Matthew Carter, is perfect!

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Neutraface

I would consider mid century humanists like Gill Sans, Humanist 521 (also designed by Eric Gill) to be a little rougher then the humanists of today. I would suggest you do a search for humanists in the new MyFonts site. You'll surely find a good face for your needs.

JonE.

will do, thank you all for your feedback, it is very helpful as usual.

incidentally... neutraface is pretty appealing at first glance, so thanks on that one.

The Dutch school of contemporary sans serif faces is considered to be humanist, due to the influence of Gerrit Noordzij's theories of The Stroke.

Something by Lucas De Groot, perhaps, or Underware's Auto.

I'm curious to know what you mean by "rougher". My first thought — before your last paragraph — was a geometric sans like Futura or Neutraface, but none of those would pass as a humanist sans.

And I wouldn't qualify Neutraface (or Futura) as rough either.

Check out the Museo/Museo sans family. It occupies a wonderful intersection of humanism, geometric modernism, and contemporary digital “perfection” that could work well.

Thinking of a rough, humanist sans:
Carl Crossgrove's Beorcana

Gotham

These suggestions seems to be coming from different realms ;)

Museo is a nice suggestion. I would look at Pakt as well.

Although, when I think of wood, intuitively, Garamond comes to mind.

Thank you all for the suggestions. I understand the question was a bit "off," and some of the responses (especially mine) reinforced that I was not sure exactly where I was headed.

I guess by rough / modernist, I actually meant not flawlessly resolved. I commented on Neutra not because I thought it met these specific criteria, but because it seemed to be an alternate approach to type for this... to the rougher idea anyway. Since most of his pieces are very architectural, it seemed appropriate due to it's inspirations / style.

That being said, there was one suggestion that won it for me... can't seem to locate it now, but it was the type with blown out (not sure the name, but the ink overflow allowance things for letters) but designed to extremes. That, to me read rougher, and a bit more unique in the sans world, and spoke to "process," which was my goal.

In the end, all proved to scarily offensive to him to purchase, so back to working with Berthold Akzidenz... which I love, and will work, just not quite as custom.

Thank you all for your suggestions, and sorry I was a bit here and there on it!

Ink traps? Good luck anyhow!

BTW
Bell Gothic might be considered as a "rough sans" candidate.

From the sounds of it, you're looking for something like Meta.

If you're into ink traps and a "rough" feel, Olga (see also here) might be right up your alley. It's not a sans though, and I'm not sure it's available, but may be worth havin' a look at.