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helvetica issues with microsoft word.

Gluz

hello.

my design partner and i are working on a resume template for a client - requested to be edited in word. we designed in apple pages first, so we used helvetica neue (75 bold), opentype.

now, i use a PC, and when i use indesign, i can choose the 75 bold style. but in word, i cannot seem to find it. basically, our client and i cannot see the typeface now. so i know it's not a translation issue, it's just something wrong with either office, or word, or windows!

anyone familiar with this issue? are we just SOL with using word?

nithrandur

Hi Michael,

Are you using any font manager that automates font activation? If so, then you have an answer.

You know, I'd really love to use InDesign as a normal word processor, but it's too memory intensive. Some might say it's overkill, but there's no such thing as overkill when you're aware of spacing and other details. It exports your document to PDF smoothly as well.

Jens Kutílek

when i use indesign, i can choose the 75 bold style. but in word, i cannot seem to find it

Perhaps the Helvetica font family is style-linked? In that case you would have to choose the Regular style in Word and then press the Bold button. You would only see the Regular style in the font menu.

Gus Winterbottom

In Word running under Windows, you won't specifically see "Helvetica Neue 75 Bold," but you should see "HelveticaNeue," or something like that, in Word's font list (on my computer, it's HelveticaNeueLT Std). Apply the bold style of that.

Gluz

i am not using a font manager. by answer, do you mean i SHOULD, or SHOULD NOT?

also, i don't see helvetica neue; i only see variations on it in the font list... black condensed, etc. but no "regular."

thoughts?
btw thanks for the help everyone.

Si_Daniels

Is this the Mac font copied across? Or a font licensed directly from Linotype? Not making any points about license violations, just that the font naming may be Mac-centric.

Cheers, Si

Gus Winterbottom

Is it possible that InDesign installed the font somewhere other than the Windows font folder (c:\windows\fonts)?

Can you post a screen cap, or a text list, of either (1)your font list as seen from inside Word, or (2) the fonts installed in c:\windows\fonts? Not the whole list, just in the alphabetical area where Helvetica should be showing up.

Gluz

we're using opentype cross-platform font files.

here's some screenshots:
1) my font list of helvetica + helvetica neue
2) word interface
3) indesign interface

Uli Stiehl

If you remove all other Helvetica fonts and install only these 4 font files in Windows:

HelveticaNeueLTStd-BdIt.otf
HelveticaNeueLTStd-It.otf
HelveticaNeueLTStd-Roman.otf
HelveticaNeueLTStd-Bd.otf

you will get what you need in MS Word.

"75 Bold" is the file HelveticaNeueLTStd-Bd.otf

The font name shown varies depending on the MS word version.

Thomas Phinney

The file name that Uli specifies, as shipped from the font vendor (Linotype/Monotype, Adobe, or a reseller), would not produce the menu names you are seeing. Are these OpenType CFF (.otf) fonts, or OpenType TrueType (.ttf)?

If the former, the menu names are definitely messed up, and I'd bet somebody converted the fonts manually to OpenType using some utility, instead of getting well-made OpenType versions from the font vendor. I am suspecting that the Windows menu names and style links are messed up.

Cheers,

T

Uli Stiehl

> I’d bet somebody converted the fonts

If someone tampers with OTF fonts, the "Digitally signed" notice will be gone.

For example, in the picture

http://www.sanskritweb.net/temporary/digitally.gif

the OTF above is tampered, while the OTF below is untampered.

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