It seems this only affects the Regular and Oblique styles of Helvetica (not Neue), TrueType (v.6.0d7e1). Bold and Bold Oblique are in line with your ‘good’ sample, aren’t they?
The version that came with Tiger (OSX 10.4, v.5.0d8e2) looked different; with the ogonek at the right position, albeit detached.
Pretty inconsistent.

The one on the left might be good, but it ain’t Helvetica. :)
Cheers!

Ouch!

Florian You are right.
It started with Leopard... regular (what else in most cases, esp. internet) and oblique.

David yes, myriad with right position is in the example:)

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I knew I had seen this bad character before!

sorry?

No need to apologize...

>Pretty inconsistent.

...it’s clearly Linotype’s fault... “home of the originals” or maybe Apple “think different”

I forwarded this thread onto font contacts at Apple - so they are now aware of the issue.

Cheers, Si

Microsoft have improved the design and placement of ogoneks in their their core fonts in the Windows Vista / Office 2007-2008 versions of their fonts, see http://typophile.com/node/39060

Apple would do good if they did the same or licensed Helvetica World from Linotype to replace the old Helvetica.

Adam

> Apple would do good if they did the same or licensed Helvetica World from Linotype to replace the old Helvetica.

The best approach would be to just replace everything with Myriad! :^) Numbers on the iPhone, anyone?!

>The best approach would be to just replace everything with Myriad! :^) Numbers on the iPhone, anyone?!

almost everything is replaced here with myriad already... my eyes are burned:)

>The best approach would be to just replace everything with Myriad!

I wonder why they don’t? Licensing issues? ;-) As I recall it all got a bit interesting when Apple claimed Myriad was being used on the first color iPods - but those references mysteriously disappeared... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podium_Sans