Thanks for your comments, and good luck with your work. I wish you the best health possible!

>My sincere apologies to Sii for subjecting him to prolonged scrutiny.

No problem, this is the way of the internets - will buy you a pint if you ever make it to one of conferences - maybe within our lifetimes ATypI or TypeCon will make it down under?

Cheers, Si

The upandcomers in the critique forum suffer a blow! Thanks for the energy you put into that forum specifically.

I had a close friend who had an artery (AVM) burst in his brain over twenty years ago, and he has been thriving since, though the first year or two were tough. So there is hope, and I wish you all the very best.

Sorry you are having such a rough time James, see you in the summer.

I wish you good health and contenment. Good luck with your projects! See you when you return.

ChrisL

I second the motion from Randy about the critique section. i was looking forward to getting comments from you. But best of luck and hope all goes well.

Hey James, thanks for the compliments, although it's me that should thank you for your posts in my critique-thread. My typeface improved drastically because of it! Thanks.

Good luck with the work, and all the best to you / your health.

See you when you get back on here. :)

James,

Thanks for the kind words -- and your own good humor, word play, and generosity! Best of luck with your current woes, my friend.

I have been laying low lately, but I still pop in once in a while. I know you'll be missed around here.

All the best,
Ricardo

L8R, James.
A bit of advice, try to avoid coughing :-)--I can recommend Thayers Slippery Elm Lozenges, "Nature's Gentle Lubricant --- Prized by Opera Singers", if it's available in your neck of the woods, or similar. Not sure exactly how it works or if it would be appropriate for you, but if it's better to deal with congestion by swallowing rather than coughing, something like that may help.

I mean, you must be new here. It’s the most egotistical thing in the world to issue a speech more reminiscent of one delivered by a character on an American television series on his last episode. You don’t want to read or post, then don’t read or post. We don’t need or want an explanation, in part because we don’t have an orchestra and bimbos in evening gowns to get you off the damned stage.

Worse, you made this a whole new thread. What is it like to be so important, James?

—
Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

I hope that the next few months are good for you, James. As for the rest of us, I'm pretty sure that we'll all still be here when you come back. I think that Typophile is easy enough to catch up on; the threads tend not to go anywhere (usually).

mmm. Joe, Who's we? And, the internets are is full of bimbos in ball gowns. Where have you been?

James. I look forward to your return.

& I second Nick's advice.

-=®=-

*hug*

Also I'm totally a bimbo in a ball gown.

>What is it like to be so important

We're all important, Joe. --Or unimportant, depending on your view. I take the side of 'important'.

I was a little surprised by this thread initially, but ultimately read it as a fond appreciation of this forum and really enjoyed the way James took the time to single out individual contributions. I hope James returns in good health and good form.

Joe Clark is a good candidate for The Silence Brigade.

wow, joeclark - you getting teeth pulled as well ?

best to you james. courage. smiling emoticon.

Come back soon, James. Your insights and humor will be sorely missed.

Cordially,
Ernie

Oouch. Good luck with those teeth!

Peace, health, happiness, and success to you, James, and everyone else on Typophile.

Sharon

See you then. Take good care of yourself. I have used that product Nick was talking about. It's not a miracle but it helps.

Worse, you made this a whole new thread.

That was my idea so you can now commence kicking me instead if you like.

It’s the most egotistical thing in the world
to post a url that is yourname.* after every post you make assuming that people can not waste precious seconds navigating their way to read more of your pearls of wisdom.

Joe, your being an asshole negates any authority you claim to possess.

James, take care.

I had 25 teeth pulled at the one time, so can understand the pain you were having. Saves on toothpaste and floss though. Hope things look up sometime soon for you.

best regards and best wishes for improved health. You will be missed.

I've always been amazed how being really physically uncomfortable/pained for a long time makes me really grumpy, even when I don't always realize it at the time. Not that that could happen to anybody else, of course. :)

I hope things look up for you and work goes well.

And don't pay any attention to JC. (Hmmm, those initials - surely it can't be a coincidence!)

Cheers,

T

Best wishes as always, James. And hurry back, dang it. You'll be missed. (Anyone who wrote "I could eat alphabet soup and crap out a better font than that" would be missed.)

Cheers,
Richard

(Anyone who wrote “I could eat alphabet soup and crap out a better font than that” would be missed.)

>> hahaha, excellent.

take care james, and if you can find the time, at least, to let us know about your health from time to time, that would be greatly appreciated by some, including me.

dr

-ps- i'm always happy to learn some stuff. today, i learn that the guy who's organizing the typeface of toronto subway is a jerk. bad luck for canada.

Joe Clark, that was detestable.

Mr. James, even the strangers wish you the best. Be well! Relax... (if you dare).

Andre

I’m a mimbo in a tux too!!!

I personally know what it means to experience extreme tooth pain- hope you feel better soon. And Typophile is a real time waster too. My ass is so flat from sitting in front of my mac (and I was born with a flat ass anyway)- its gonna start caving in- a concave ass imagine that!

Resist the temptation to check back. Its the same ’ol stuff and fonts are material things anyway. Take a break and enjoy your friend that is battling cancer for as long as he can hang in there.

All my best,

Mikey :-)

Joe Clark... You are as scathing as you are relevant. Try harder next time.

"I could eat alphabet soup and crap out a better font than that"

... Wish all we aspiring typographers could say the same. Best of luck in all, and thanks for all the insight.

Re: Joe Clark's comments. It's okay for him to have an opinion even if you don't agree. There is no need to pound him.

Eben, Joe Clark has managed to rub some of us the wrong way in other contexts. He asked me for a favor recently and then proceeded to condescend to me and lecture me on email etiquette. It was by far the most unpleasant exchange I have ever had with a fellow Typophile. And now he insults a respected typophile who is going through hard times.

I say pound away!

Eben,

Sure there is a need to pound Joe. He seemed to be claiming to speak for the entire Typophile community in insulting James as to what "we" "don't need or want."

James A has irked me on a couple of occasions, but here he is making a public apology for something, and sharing some personal information. I appreciate both of those choices, and I see them as reflecting humility and humanity rather than egotism. I certainly don't appreciate somebody else seeming to think they can speak for the entire Typophile community in putting James down for doing this.

But then again, maybe this just means I'm part of the cabal? :) (Just teasing, really.)

Cheers,

T

ok. Sorry.

Actually, Joe is a decent, caring and highly committed guy and I like & respect him. I didn't mean for the post I've just edited to bash him, but to explain that something from Joe that Patty took exception to wasn't, in my opinion, meant to cause offense. Obviously I missed the mark.

I also like and respect James. I didn't mean for my contributions to this thread to take anything away from what he has to say, I had hoped to sort of disarm Joe's negative remarks a little bit with my first post here.

-=®=-

Thomas, Patty, Russelll,

I know I can't prevent you or anyone from giving Joe what for except to make some points which either will or won't make sense to you.

Some of this might sound like my trying to "teach your grandma to suck eggs". But isn't meant as condescension. Instead I am trying to see if I can (re)establish common/shared ideas about this.

a) It's James' thread not Joe's and the more you ( or anyone ) pounds away at Joe the more it becomes about Joe albeit in a negative way. To me this seems unfortunate. This was in part the reason I asked James to make his own thread - this thread.

b) A very related point is that information which is too random/mixed becomes less valuable to the users of Typophile. Granted this isn't a Type heavy thread, (it's personal) but the point is applicable to Typophile threads in general.

This why the guidelines say Don’t hijack other threads:
Don’t post irrelevant queries within another thread; create a new thread. You can post a new topic by scrolling to the bottom of one of the main forum pages and clicking on the “Post a new topic” link.

b) James himself* is an advocate of avoiding extending conflicts bad feelings on Typophile or elsewhere. One way of extending these bad feelings is to reply to negativity with ire even if you are fully justified.

d) That Typophile is a bit too full of "pounding" is in part why James is taking a break.

Typophile will be the kind of place we make collectively it.

Agree or disagree but please make a new thread about it if you want to reply to me. It's valid to link to that new thread here.

*He can correct me if I am putting false words in his mouth when he gets back, but I I think I am very probably on safe ground here.

In order to deal out the shame you need to establish yourself in a Beta role. Maybe Joe, as an aspiring alpha, is out of the bounds. And now I've highjacked another thread and crossed Eben's advise. Glad I'm not really a wolf.

1) james has been harsh and owned up to the fallibility of it all, which takes guts. i've known wacked-out medical pain in my day and it's a real mood killer.

2) joeclark's presumptive "we" and amazingly unsympathetic little rant.
speak for yourself, sir, and consider an apology.

what font says "sigh" ?

James - I wish you many productive and fulfilling days ahead.

First of all, and last of all---cut the cards!

This isn't really a discussion thread. It's a goodbye for the time being thread. The best thing to do now is stop posting on it. That's all well-wishing we need for the time being.

Eben: *He can correct me if I am putting false words in his mouth when he gets back, but I I think I am very probably on safe ground here.

Very safe ground Eben. Everyone on this thread owes it to themselves to listen to what Eben is saying and take it on-board. I mean it. Let Joe's comments stand and stop making personal remarks about him. I was uncivil and made many personal remarks about people here the other day in an attempt to draw attention to incivility and the problems that hubris creates. That was the wrong way to go about it. You may not agree with Joe but berating him for his remarks is just more incivility and does nothing to create an environment of trust and good faith.

An uncivil environment is a poor environment to discuss typography in. Yes, we all believe our view is the definitive one, but we must be as broad-minded and tolerant as possible to stay civil.

Keep in mind why you joined the community in the first place.

I'm outta here.

j a m e s