Well, it is certainly priced right.

Does he have a pdf available where one can look at the letters in enlarged sizes. A few (x, f) look a bit funky at this size, and I would want to see them larger.

I've just recently mentioned this on my Typophile 'blog' (typophile.com/node/43500). Very nice.

Dav

An EULA in English would be handy for the dullards (like myself) that can't read the one posted on the site. If anyone has a link to that.

geez...$5!? Can't go wrong there!

Don: yes, you can download a PDF from the Latinotype website.

Thanks Florian.

I should have looked there, I suppose. But my response did serve its secondary purpose of bumping message back up to the top of the board.

Re the EULA, basically states that for the fountains and/or sources of Latinotype (sorry, I hate it when Spanish-speakers call fonts "fuentes" which actually means either fountain or source :) )

1. You may install it on one printer or other print/reproduction device as well as one computer.
2. For use on more than one machine or other device where the font is copied into a storage device you must by subsequent licenses.
3. You may not make any copies except for one backup copy, and you may not transfer or sell the license to anyone else.
4. No returns unless it's defective, and only then with receipt and within 1 week of purchase.
5. Any works using Latinotype fonts must be used under the respective licenses, therefore vector products must travel with a license. Embedding is not allowed, if necessary the user must request an embedding license.
6. Users must give credit to LatinoType™ as a registered trademark and the holder of copyright for the font.
7. Any violation terminates the license and you must return the font as well as a letter in writing that no other copy exists.
8. LatinoType takes no responsibility for damages resulting from the use of the software.
The contract is under international and Chilean intellectual property laws and by either installing or downloading the fonts you agree that you have read understand and agree to the clauses in the contract.

«El futuro es una línea tan fina que apenas nos damos cuenta de pintarla nosotros mismos». (La Luz Oscura, por Javier Guerrero)

(sorry, I hate it when Spanish-speakers call fonts “fuentes” which actually means either fountain or source :) )

Font means exactly the same thing, so you'll probably want to use a different term, such as typeface.

Thank you!

"Embedding is not allowed"

bah!

6. Users must give credit to LatinoType™ as a registered trademark and the holder of copyright for the font.

^that could be a sticky one in some instances too, like on a postcard. But I love that miniscule a.

tipografía quizá?

perhaps

perhaps

perhaps

Damn!... I have Mote and Cadena from Latinotype and never noticed how heavy EULA item 6. was!!.... I have contacted asking to explore the EULA point 6... hopefully will see it as a bit heavy... if not I will have to delete both Mote and Cadena off my Mac... which sucks as I like both of the typefaces.

WOW that is like buying a t-shirt (t-shirt without external branding) and have to wear it inside out so the label is present at all times...

still great typefaces and a nice guy too

Not allowing embedding in a EULA in this competitive climate can be a sticking point for many users. When people ask me to read their EULAs that is one of the first things I look for. Not allowing (at least) PDF embedding is a mistake.

This said I licensed it in hopes of (A) Miguel rethinking the embedding issue, and (B) $5 isn't much to support someone you believe in.

It is a wonderful price, and it is worth supporting Miguel for his wonderful work regardless of the EULA.

Glyph rather than Gliph. More than rather than Over. Only $5 rather than Only at $5.

Includes the OpenType® font and a single cpu license for Cadena Black™. Proceeds from this limited-time offer will support the development of the complete Cadena family—Roman, Italic, Small Caps, Black, Black Italic, and a printed sample book with CD. Share your love! PayPal: info@latinotype.com

I’m boycotting PayPal, but I promise to watch the development and strongly consider the family when available. Feel free to use the above $5 worth of editing/writing as my donation to your effort. No credit required ; )

This would look great used in an identity for a bakery. I think I’m hungry.

I paid $25 for Cadena 2-3 months ago, and $50 for MOTE. still concerned by bullet no.6 of his EULA

great work Miguel.

> Users must give credit to Latinotype™ as a registered trademark and the holder of copyright for the font

EULA point No. 6 can be read in two ways:

1. (the strict interpretation): In every use, let's say on a business card, you must credit Latinotype™ (printing the foundry name on the card) and indicate Latinotype™ as the copyright holder. Obviously this as impractical as it is illogical. I'd be genuinely surprised if this is the correct interpretation of the EULA. Nobody is going to put a foundry name on a poster, packaging, or title sequences. :|

2. (the logical interpretation) When Latinotype is mentioned in print, in a colophon, in some liner notes, please indicate the ™ and © whenever appropriate.

Latinotype™ does not appear to have been registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office, but maybe it has been registered with the Chilean PTO maybe?

In the U.S., ™ can be used at any time, even without federal registration, to put others on notice that you are claiming rights in the mark.
® is used when a Trademark has been officially registered after going through the required steps with the USPTO.

Not allowing embedding will make some people to actually do it... A way out can be converting to 1-bit tif (which will help selling blank CDs to carry the huge files...).

Fuerza Latinotype!

Salud!

And I was going to order a copy today. Thanks for the alert on the EULA. I cannot spend even $5 on a font that will not allow embedding, and article 6 is ridiculous.

If BJ's interpretation is right, the clause should be rewritten to be clear about that. Guessing is not a wise thing to do in legal matters.

Sorry Miguel, at least one sale lost due to an over protective EULA.

bj...that sums up the confusion well. I agree that #2 is LIKELY the interpretation, but one never knows...

As for embedding...it's really just an issue of practicality for a designer. I want to be able to start a project and choose the typeface suitable for the project based on the LOOK of the typeface rather than the intricacies of the EULA.

But, damn...that's a fun typeface. I'll probably be getting it anyways ;o)

It's very similar to Bello's small caps. http://vllg.com/Underware/Bello/mudTyper+Weights/ which is close to Sauna Black... http://vllg.com/Underware/Sauna/mudTyper+Weights/

A good case for a clear EULA in more than one language to avoid ambiguity. #6 is very confusing and if interpreted literally, it is a great way to self-promote but logistically difficult to have accommodated. Those who ignore EULAs will ignore this one as well.

I like the PR spin here:Proceeds from this limited-time offer will support the development of the complete Cadena family. It may be fair to say that proceeds from any sales of fonts support the development of future fonts.

I think guifa’s shortening of point 6 in the EULA made it more ambiguous than the original:

6.- El usuario de este software de fuentes Latinotype™ se comprometa a dar créditos a Latinotype™ como marca registrada y dueños del copyright de Latinotype™ como único distribuidor de las fuentes y sus nombres, sin importar los créditos de sus referentes, diseñadores y/o creadores que se muestren en el sitio.

I read this as, “The user of this Latinotype™ font software is obliged to give credit to Latinotype™, as a registered trademark and owners of the copyright Latinotype™, as the sole distributor of the fonts and their names, regardless of credits to references, designers, and/or creators as given on the site”.

Meaning that, regardless of who the web site has as the designer or creator of a font, users are required to credit Latinotype™ as the distributor and copyright holder of the font, rather than the individual designer; not that you are obliged to always credit the foundry, every time you use the font.

[I’m not sure what exactly they mean by sus referentes, though—guifa?]

Would the more learned Spanish-speakers agree with such an interpretation?

I'd have to look, but there are other EULAs out there which share point 6 in common. I read it as "When Possible" please do it. Or, if you are crediting the photography, please also credit the type. I don't think it means put the credit on a business card.

Yeah, it wasn't meant to be a full translation, just a quick point-by-point you can do this or can't do that. Although I think the intent of #6 is to say when crediting, please credit it like exactly as shown with the TM symbol as opposed to crediting the individual designer (like Janus indicated), it's not the most clear thing. (Aside for Janus: «sus referentes» in this case means more or less references, or perhaps "points/places of reference". I would take this to mean the web-design credits, for instance)

Kegler makes a good point about having EULAs in multiple languages, but in this case it really needs to be rewritten for both English and Spanish users' sakes.

The problem is that the "y" (and) is not really well defined as to what it's joining, it could be creating a second object of the verb «give credits» or it could be adding a second object under the preposition «como» (as) or it could be a second obligation creating a sentence fragment. Unfortunately all three areas sound odd given that the second «como» (as the only distributor) doesn't really seem to be well attached. Janus assumed an additional «y» (and) with his comma placement but it's not there or something else to indicate it's position in the hierarchy. And in any case, it sounds weird to need to identify Latinotype the only distributor of the names of the fonts... It seems to me like a lot of words and phrases got mixed up.

For anyone who is interested, I broke down #6 with side-by-side English translations.

«El futuro es una línea tan fina que apenas nos damos cuenta de pintarla nosotros mismos». (La Luz Oscura, por Javier Guerrero)

I like Canada Types EULA... http://www.canadatype.com/cteula.php

Again I support Miguel Latino Type as I have paid full price for 2 of his typefaces, $50 for MOTE

I really love MOTE, which is no longer on his site, though I guess it will be the uppercase version of Cadena Heavy?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miguel_hernandez/585447484/
http://www.typophile.com/node/33759

Looking at all this I have to say I don't really think the 'point 6' really applies if you look at where his fonts are being used and that he is celebrating where they have been used. So sorry Miguel.

Hello Typophiles,

I am agree in almost all the critiques for number 6 (embedding issue).
The Latinotype EULA will be fixed very soon,

Thank you for all this help,

Miguel Hernández

Latinotype. The latin alphabet, on latino hands.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miguel_hernandez

The latin alphabet, on latino hands.

tattoos? >^D

love the typeface, btw. g'luck with the family expansion!

interesante debate sobre EULA. ah Miguel, dime si no.

Y $5 dolares es muuuy poco.

• jko •

Thanks for the tip, Haley. When I first discovered Typophile, Miguel was here very often, and amazed everyone with creations like Garadot. Go, Miguel! Nice to see you around here again. :-)

sorry, I hate it when Spanish-speakers call fonts “fuentes” which actually means either fountain or source

guifa, I studied graphic design in Argentina and typefaces were called "tipografías" or "fuentes tipográficas" by our professors... And this was in the 80s, mind you, before everyone had a personal computer over there! Here's a Spanish Wikipedia page that talks about the use of both terms:

Tipo de letra

You're correct as far as the Real Academia Española not listing the terms fuente or tipografía as equivalents of the English "typeface"... which I have to admit really bugs me! But language is a living thing, and changes faster than dictionary editors can keep up, I'm afraid. :-)

Latinotype. The latin alphabet, on latino hands.

Miguel, some friendly advice from a bilingual admirer: Your slogan would sound much better to an English speaker if it was "The latin alphabet, in latino hands."

Cheers,
Ricardo

Ricardo, está muy bien la aclaración sobre los términos:

En Chile hablamos así:

Fuente is Typeface.

Tipografía could be Typeface and/or Letterpress (impresión tipográfica)

Diagramación o composición es Typography

Tipógrafo (typographer) as typedesigner (diseñador de tipos)

is a really confusing for the students (and for some designers also)

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Interesante, jko. Gracias por la aclaración. :-)

Translation: Interesting, jko. Thanks for the info. :-)