Hi Mike,

Linotype Nicolas Cochin has osf only, and Lanston Nicolas Cochin Pro has both osf and tf. No small-caps, AFAIK

However, they are quite different from Bitstream (i.e. Linotype) Cochin.

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I didn’t no about the Lanston interpretation. Thanks Florian!

I’ve always included MVB Sirenne in the same company, although its more leftfield.

Mikey :-)

You’re right, Mike, they belong to the same category — typefaces inspired by lettering found in copper engravings and etchings from the eighteenth century.
Linotype Nicolas Cochin is a quite faithful revival of Deberny & Peignot’s Cochin family (circa 1912-1914), whereas Bitstream Cochin is based upon a 1917 Monotype recutting (by Sol Hess) of the same face.

“Nicolas Cochin” and “Cochin” are completely different faces.

Yes, they are — in my opinion, Sol Hess did a very good job by toning down the quaintness of the Deberny & Peignot version.

The Cochin carried by Adobe for years should always have had oldstyle figures but was digitized early on without. The pre-digital version did include oldstyle figures somewhere in its original design program, but OSFs were just blown off in early conversions. Why the license holder can’t go back and fix that, I cannot imagine. Guardi is another Renaissance-feel face that obviously needs oldstyle figures—probably the reason it is not more popular, because otherwise it’s excellent. This is one of the continuing scandals in our field today, something that should be solved as an industry-wide standard, along with the problem of families released without bold and/or bold italic, or families whose fonts cannot be keystroke-linked.

Hi John, I value your dedication – but this grows into a serious pet peeve, doesn’t it? ;-)