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"ni b b le"? I'm running 10.2 on a Mac and I can see the thorns, but they're rather small.


I'll go take a look on my PB running 9.1...

The thorns are there, but they take up almost the full line height. Looks like "niPPle."


(Something went wrong on my first attempt to post this.)

Try this:

niþþle

(And then they say "it just works" - creeps.)

hhp

Sorry, no nibbles (or nipples) on this end.

Mac OS 9.1, IE 5.0

Hrant, interestingly, in the e-mail notification your thorns came through as ogoneks, both times. Going directly to the forum, here, using Mac OS 9.2.2 and IE 5, they're thorns and look like Marc's second example.

"guest"'s post shows up with eszetts on the forum, but came through with 'b's in the e-mail copy.

As for reading it: how about "niththle"?

-- K.

Hrant, now I'm curious. When I view source on this forum, your thorns are coded using named entities. How did you type them in -- did you just keyboard them directly (you can do that in Windows, right?) or did you provide the named entity? Perhaps the numerical entity would work more consistently across platform.

-- K.

> how about "niththle"?

Let me grab somebody with a lisp and ask him.

> now I'm curious.

I'm glad your curious. To me it's mostly unnerving. Not least because I still don't know who of you is a glutton and who's a pervert. BTW, am I the only one who's thinking OpenType might actually make things *more* confusing?...

The first time I copy-pasted from the Windows CharMap utility. The second time I typed them in with the Numeric Pad method.

hhp

I'm a glutton.

on a mac
I see nile

as in "ni open bracket the word "thorn" close bracket, I repeat open bracket "thorn" close bracket and le"

Hrant --

You can also enter characters using the formatting code and ASCII reference:

i.e., \char{254} for þ (thorn)

Let's see how well this comes through in various browsers.

-- K.

Using Kent's method, it still shows a thorn on the two Macs that I tried it on. (See post #3 above where I uploaded tiny screen snaps.) FYI, the two Macs are running Explorer 5.2.1 on OS 10.2 and Explorer 5.0 on OS 9.1 respectively.

Interestingly, I can get a real Verdana thorn using the OS X Character Palette (always available in the menu bar). Here's what it looks like in TextEdit:



Unfortunately, couldn't get it to work with the text entry field in Explorer. I don't know for sure, but I think full language support only works in Cocoa apps. System level functions <i>do</i> have support, so even in Explorer, you can insert foreign characters (Cyrillic, Chinese, Greek, whatever) into a file name field when saving a file.

MacOS Roman character encoding doesn't support Icelandic. Windows 1252 does. There is a separate encoding, MacOS Icelandic, for Icelandic on Macs. Newer Unicode TT and OT fonts should work, though you might have to install keyboard drivers to get to the characters on older MacOS versions.

Now could someone else please explain to me why MacRoman and 1252 include Lslash, lslash, Scaron, scaron, Zcaron and Zcaron? What language uses those without using other accented characters not present in MacRoman or 1252 encoding? I've never gotten an answer on this. Totally stumped.

These characters are normally inaccessible in Mac programs (although OS X can access them). I think the reason they're in MacRoman is a Fontographer thing. When you select MacRoman as the character set, Fontographer designates many of the first 16 character slots to characters that are part of the Windows 1252 character set. I've always assumed this was to make it easier to do font development for Mac and Windows at the same time.

As to why they were included in 1252, I have no idea.

works on:
Win 2000, IE 6.0

nibble?