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Font Name Conflicts

Hrant H Papazian

So I've been wondering, when is it OK to use a name for a font that's already in use? Clearly you don't want to mess with that frothing-bastard-foundry in Chicago, but "Leviathan" for example is used just fine both by Hoefler and Agfa-Monotype. I can see practical problems when/if multiple fonts share a name on MyFonts for example, and I understand that the legal aspect can't be totally ignored, but I'm looking for some accounts of real-life experiences.

In case you're wondering, specifically I'm debating if I should bother using "Pantagruel", which is being used by Scriptorium (at least). What's another good classical name for a really big guy?

hhp

If you have issues, write the Scriptorium people and ask. They seem to be pretty level headed, and if you ask nicely I don't think they'll sic their lawyers on you.

> What's another good classical name for a really big guy?

Goliath? Behemoth?

Behemoth is taken, but Goliath seems to be available.
But I'm actually leaning towards "Mangonel", which is basically a really large trebuchet.

BTW, what do you guys think of Tegucigalpa as a font name?

hhp

Brobdignagian?

Mr. T ?

Hrant, you could try the Giants of Greek mythology, so huge and
powerful that when the gods finally defeated them, they had to be
chained and buried below islands. There were many of them, Typhon,
Briareus, Adamastor (made famous by Lu

And what about Stephen Coles

Hrant,

I think you should avoid using font names that are already in use.

Why not just call it "Really Big Guy"

Really Big Guy-Tall
Really Big Guy-Really Tall
Really Big Guy-Heavy
Really Big Guy-Really Heavy

etc.

Adamastor is an excelent name (but I'm portuguese) :-), has the font an "oceanic" flavour?

Descomunal ?
Not very classical and spanish though.

HUGE ANTIQUE?

Thanks for all the suggestions!

Gargantua is also taken by Scriptorium. Plus it feels too literal.

I like the Greek stuff, especially Adamastor. Let me try to find a full list of the Titans...
BTW, I have no idea why but I keep leaning to Latino names for bitmap fonts.

For a database I use http://www.free-fonts.com (which isn't just for free fonts).

Adriano: As in "Honey, how the hell am I supposed to get that thing through the front door?!"

hhp

Some good names being bandied about here. Those
already taken include:

Goliath - from the regrettably rushed fonts of Fonthead
Gargantua - by Marty Bee, used to be available from T26,
but I don't see it now.

Not used:
I like Mangonel. According to the game Age of Empires
it is smaller than a Trebuchet. I have no record of "Really
Big" or "Big Guy" or "Really Big Guy" being used.
Tegucigalpa and the other the other 5-syllable names are
too long and difficult for white guys to say.

> Mangonel

Terms for medieval siege engines are often used indiscriminately. In this case by me as well... According to the indispensable "The Crossbow" (Sir Ralph Payne-Gallwey, 1903)* a mangonel is a very large catapult, not a trebuchet. And I'm note sure which tended to weigh more, but the trebuchet certainly was much taller and had a longer range.

* BTW, a careful reading of that book seems to indicate that the trebuchet was actually invented by Archimedes for the defense of his home town (which it did admirably), but was then lost to time until the Middle Ages - so it's much older than people say.

> too long and difficult

But doesn't that make them more "thought-worthy"? When people wonder about how to pronounce a name, are they more turned on or off? Like I've thought of this font name -Recital- which I would "insist" that people pronounce like in French - "gheseetal". Not that I would try to even enforce that or throw a fit when I heard it misprononnced - just that that would generate interest. :->

hhp

Trebuchets are marvellous things, unless you're on the receiving end. I've seen footage of one throwing a car about 200 yards.

Pronunciation can be an issue, as I learned when someone phoned Tiro to order the anus font. Anus font? Oh, Aeneas.

Most people mispronounce Sylfaen, which is now installed on several million computers worldwide.

You could name your typeface something deliberately unpronouncable, e.g. Xktrnbgr.

Xktrnbgr

sound very good for a new successful typeface! ;-)

Sometimes you've got very good ideas John!

How about Giant, Mammoth (Finn McCool would be good for Irish or hex/octagonal feel)
Mangonel, smallish siege engine using torsion (twisted rope/hair), Trebuchet much larger (normally), powered by a weight and more effective use of the energy stored.
Tim

Hrant,
I like the Greek stuff, especially Adamastor. Let me try to find
a full list of the Titans...


Just don

> they don

Hrant the third movie is out in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, you should go see it for research purposes, I bet they have some really big creatures with elfin or dwarfin names

Oh, I love D&D stuff (and I was always the DM). I've read the trilogy twice (the Hobbit thrice). I saw the first two movies - marvelous. I'll be seeing the third this weekend. It's one series that won't suffer from trilogitis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3357885.stm

I guess the names are good because Tolkien was a linguist.

hhp

Ungoliant the original spider (the mold from which all spiders were wrought) was probably pretty big.
You might want to take care with Tolkien names, though; apparently New Line has trademarked practically every proper noun JRRT made up.

Shreyas I'm sure you are right about New Line, but not being a type company they might get a kick out of one of their names being used and presented before an international forum. Hrant, I didn't know that about Tolkien, I just downloaded the Hobbit as an audio book and I love it all over again.

...(and I was always the DM).

Ah, yes: the megalomaniac autodidact's dream job. :-)

Ent, the font. Tolkein was a contributor to the Oxford English Dictionary, among some insane and just strange people.

Elephantine

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