I have to say that, so far, VERY few of the shirt designs have been any good. Agreed?

Well, yes, but I for one am still pretty impressed by the overall level. Just the fact that some of them are very good is pretty encouraging. Remember that this is unpaid stuff.

(BTW, it's illegal to embed Mrs Eaves in Flash... :-)

hhp

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I like the humor in it.

But I'd like to see more Tees that have concept, most shirts are cool or pretty, but have no statement whatsoever about the forum....

Jacques

What statement about the forum could you make and put on a T-shirt??? ...

I like the shirts that use wit to a great extent.
The main focus is typography so I would like to see more clever word play that is simple and easily read (by the passer-by who notices the T-shirt for 2 seconds)..

I didnt mean big philosophic statements. But something with whit, humor, about was is happening in the forum. Boys and girls looking at and talking about type online.

Jacques

It's a good idea if you can do it Jacques... thinking caps on

Already tried.
Although one of my Tees is still missing....


Jacques

I was thinking of mixing up words to make anagrams of typophile, some interesting out comes:
HYPE PILOT
HOT PIE (minus a few letters)
TOLE HIPPY (what ever that is)
I PLOT HYPE
HELP I TYPO
What does everyone else think? I'm not going to run with the idea - but someone else can if they wish - sorry if you had already thought of it

Christopher, although I agree with you, have you given it a shot? And are theyre any that you think are good?

P: HEIL TYPO

Mmmh, might be misunderstood, still it is funny

J.

> HELP I TYPO

Go with that!

hhp

hmmm .... chaned my mind ... I might run with I PLOT HYPE and HELP I TYPO and see where I get...

I would have to agree that most of the shirts aren't very inventive, or that well designed. Although I've yet to see my design posted, even though I sent it last weekend. So, heads up for the kelly green shirt.

I'm glad we're finally on to discussing concept and tossing around ideas.

I agree � there are some shirts that have some solid concepts behind them but are poorly executed. Then there are some nice looking designs that just don't really say anything. And there are a few standouts.

To answer the question, yes, I have sumbitted a few, and I'm working an a few more. So I'm putting myself out there for criticism as well. (Actually I was working on an anagram-based idea yesterday, but it looks like that avenue is being covered...)

BTW, Hrant, it is not illegal to use Emigre fonts in Flash. I actually spoke with a woman at the company before we started using Mrs. Eaves on our site and obtained their permission. It's more PDF and Flash applications that they are concerned with. I'm told they are working on a Flash-specific licensing agreement to be released in a few months. FYI.

:-)

> I might run with

Dude, your submission is no longer anonymous!

> it looks like that avenue is being covered...

I don't think that should stop you.
Worst case you might have to give some third-party credit.

> obtained their permission.

In writing?
And which woman gave you the permission might matter too.

hhp

Do the judges know who has designed the T-shirt when judging?

Hrant�

I dealt with a woman in their sales and licensing department. We've negotiated licenses with them before, from site licenses for our studio to world-wide licenses for clients. And yes, I got it in writing...ALWAYS in writing :-)

BTW, do you have any sumbissions? Just yes or no, not asking which ones.

> Do the judges know who has designed the T-shirt when judging?

Well, *yours* they do... :-)
But since I suspect you're not famous* (I mean infamous... :-) you don't need to worry. Unless of course they disqualify your entry because it wasn't anonymous - but I doubt it. After all, somebody else could always steal your idea, submit it and have it posted before you submit, possibly causing you to forget about doing it...

* The sad thing is that once you become famous by winning this contest your career of anonymously designing t-shirts is *over*, baby! You'll never design another t-shirt anonymously in *this* cybertown again!! ;-)

> do you have any sumbissions?

Yes and no.

hhp

So, you guys wanna try guessing who did which designs? Or is that unsportsmanlike?

There's at least like 4 that I'm pretty sure about.

hhp

> Yes and no.

huh? and huh?

As for guessing I'm all for it. No one has to say if you're right or wrong, but at least you'll be on record and people can reveal their identities after the judging.

I'm not famous so what difference would it make to the judges decision if I remain anonymous or not..
I haven't read a rule that says stay anonymous or have your entry disqualified.

Alex, don't worry.

hhp

I'm worried.

I'm worried.

> Unlike ice skating in Salt Lake circa 2002.

Actually, my impression was that gracious losers become increasingly scarce the more you go west of Gibraltar.

hhp

what's all this about using emigre fonts in flash?? if you've paid for the fonts shouldn't you be able to use them any way you like? they'll be wanting to approve the designs next...

Joe�

It's possible to embed fonts in Flash in a way that others can generate new content using the typeface, but without purchasing it. At that point it becomes less of a design issue and more an issue of distribution.

> they'll be wanting to approve the designs next...

Maybe.
Note that they require permission for linking *to* their website, otherwise they will "terminate" you:
http://www.emigre.com/E.php

hhp

re. emigre & flash

the only way you could do this would be to embed the font in an input text field. i'm sure everyone here realises a lot of font sites use this exact method to 'test drive' fonts. by some labour-intensive heath robinson method you could then set a short line of type and it would be crap. has anyone ever actually bothered o do this?
and the linking thing!! it all smells like paranoia to me, go out and get some fresh air emigre.

rant over.

Seeing as you can choose which characters to embed, the information in the flash file will likely be redundant to anyone ripping the font. And seeing as Flash uses its own renderer for embedded fonts, I highly doubt that the information in the flash file, even if all characters were encoded, was useful. As for Designers using the zoom function to get high res copies, that's possible, but Flash doesn't kern the fonts as a professional program would. So any sentences in a really nice font would doubtless look ugly.

Hmm... getting my submission ready. Viewers comments helped shaped my tee. There seems to be a surprising "I wouldn't wear *that* because it is too girly". To me, that runs contrary to the aim of this competition - to highlight good design, and to encourage others to showcase that designers work. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality that I could wear pretty much anything besides a dress, if I thought it made a positive impact (I realize here I may be slightly eccentric, as I have never shied away from brightly coloured shirts etc.)

Matthew

I feel stupid now...having read other comments I realise the rant in the second paragraph is unjustified. Sorry (It is late and I am watching Surrealist films...not good for straightforward thought)

Matthew

Wow!!
I had know idea how making a comment toward the colours of somones design would have sparked so many comments. I was only stating a personal opinion. I am a graphic artist for a screen printer and I recently took several classes that focused on the versitility of design whether in print or web and how a good design is designed with the largest targeted audience as a priority and still makes the statement that was intended. Many of the clients I have worked with worry about colour combinations and that the're not gender specific. I liked the design Typop but intended to suggest more neutral colors. I like yellow and would wear it and I liked the design.
I also agree with Alex's statement that a shirt design needs to grabs someones attention within a few seconds to be affective.

Diane

OK, at a certain point, I just started scanning, but let it be stated for the record:

All entries are anonymous. The judges will not know who created a design until the final design is chosen. We opted to do it this way to ensure that everyone (big-G and little-G designer alike) get the same representation.

Of course, next time we'll set up a more automated process, because the obvious weak link in the process is our sheer production/anonymizing time!

jb

Hey Jared�

Just curious, how many shirt designs do you think are back-logged?

ballpark guess, maybe 20? We're getting caught up and hope to have it up to date by today.