Hello,
I'm looking for professional help with a kerning in this logotype:
EDWARD'S
It's pretty hard to set that properly in such font.
Have I done that right?
Thank you!
Hello,
I'm looking for professional help with a kerning in this logotype:
EDWARD'S
It's pretty hard to set that properly in such font.
Have I done that right?
Thank you!
You've done pretty well. Tough to space a clarendon in general!
Here are a few ideas:
1. Use a real apostrophe (not the ' )
2A. There are two ways of approaching this spacing, one is to make things as evenly tight as you can and not worry about stuctural space troubles (like the AR combo). This is pretty much what you're doing now. One way you might help this is to modify the letterforms for better spacing. Reduce the serifs between the A and R. Or, eliminate the left R serif completely (might be too weird).
2B. The other approach is to space everything based on your loosest pair (AR). Space ARD, figuring where the D should go. Then add the W and so on. The overall spacing will be looser. You may decide the logo looses impact with looser spacing. The only way to get more even spacing without modifying letters is to loosen.
Hope that helps.
Randy
I just took a closer look at your word and I think you'll need to do a combination or A and B (above):
Try the following:
1. Begin by tightening every combination up so that it is tight but not touching.
2. Reduce the two serifs between the A and R. (then make tight but not touching)
3. Add a serif to the right side of the middle stem of the W (it is emphasizing the bad spacing on the WAR combo)
4. Add a little space between the W and A
5. Extend the serifs slightly on each D (but keep the tight but not touching). Add more to the ED, and only a very tiny bit to the RD. This will improve the spacing but keep the logo lockup nice and tight.
6. Narrow the point of the apostophe and wedge it down flush betweet the D and S, you may need to shave off the top.
Should give you a nice tight lockup.
R
Hi Randy and thank you for help!
This font called Anubis and I'm not a professional typographer to spoil somebody's work by intervention in it's serif structure, so I accept playing with kerning only. Even though it's a logotype after all.
This is a real apostrophe. And I've checked all the signs included in the font. There is only such apostrophe.
Meanwhile I've tried the 2B instructions.
It works good with 3-4 letters. However putting near an additional ones cause an optical spaces disorder. So I have to work with all the letters together.
As it seems now on that file I've attached earlier - are there any small corrections to do before it's done???
Thank you!
>This is a real apostrophe. And I’ve checked all the signs included in the font. There is only such apostrophe.
Use U+2019?
Full char map for the font in question...
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/dstype/anubis/italic/charmap.html
Sometimes a straight apostrophe can indeed look better, basically because it "fits" better - and I think this is such a case. Bodoni is also a case where I think a straight apostrophe can usually work better. Blasphemous, I admit. :-)
That said, one should still know the difference, and how to find the "real" ones.
hhp
OK?
Looks good?
Oh I'm sorry hrant :)
I was frightened to recieve any additional remarks. That's because I realised that each designer has his own preferences regarding the correct kerning. I felt a bit confused. So I think the last decision has to be the one of my own.
Anyway here is what I've done
Nick Shinn, you are right about the apostrophe. I have already tried that. However, this logotype doesn't have any symbol attached to. So its' font and general shape must be recallable. and I think that apostrophe above the text helps the logotype be much recallable. It makes a kind of "jump" which is reminded first when I think `bout the logo. What do you think?
The "DWA" (especially the "WA") is still relatively loose.
Also: I would make the left edge of the apostrophe totally vertical.
> each designer has his own preferences
I think that can be entirely true when it comes to overall tightness/looseness of Latin caps (compare Tshichold with Zapf), but the leeway for personal preference in variance of spacing is essentially very tight (being largely confined to perceptual mechanics, where all humans are virtually the same) . Unless you're going for a "messy" look, which is rarely a good idea (in Display work).
hhp
I agree with Hrant. That WA is too loose.
I wonder about the apostrophe - Do you need it? After all Saks is Saks not Sak's. Maybe there is a trademartk reason for going with it. Is there? If you do keep it I think the placement of the mark will signal the preceived expensiveness/class of the logo. Having it up there is jarring & looks like a cheaper/less classy mark. If this is a 'family restaunrant' as they euphemistically call themselves ( or some other business trading in value over prestige) and cheapness is the point. Maybe keeping it there makes sense in that case. If on the other hand this is a logo for a business where presitge & class matter then I would move that puppy a little lower.
I'm sorry about the long topic and my poor knowledge in typography.
I just want to understand all this issue of correct kerning.
This is a brand logotype for a classic jeans company.
You convinced me to put the apostrophe on the same line with all letters. I've also fixed the spaces in DW and WA pairs.
Please, check me again guys.. Be so kind.
Thank you!
Some sketches for the brand-book in the future as a summary of this thread: here.
Yeah, looks professional.. thanks you all. I wouldn't do that alone.
P.S.
Now starts the messy work with all tickets, labels, buttons...design.
Err.. a piece of challenge for me. Scary :(
Boricello,
Sorry for making a late comment. I would make sure to NOT just use letters from the typeface. Make sure you alternate each letter in order to get the logotype unique! It takes a little bit of effort in illustrator or Freehand but it's well worth the work you put in. Will make the client happier in the end too.
Cheers
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