If you dont need to work on the files outside the studio, I would see no ethical problem in taking the PostScript version into FLab (or a lesser editor) and making a new version with a different name / id?

Why change versions just because Illustrator 10 does not support OT features? Your OT version is still a PostScript font, and should behave just like a PS font in Illustrator.

It does? Could I have been so very mistaken? Let's
try it out...

OTs handle like PS Fonts in most other applications (depending on whether it is a PS-based OT or a TTF-based version, but most Pro-OTFs should make no trouble with PS-Output), but of course you won't get the additional OTF-Features. I think its about time other programs start implementing OT. Professional Open Type is a wonderful thing, and yeah, I find myself working more and more with InDesign because of this, even with jobs I might have done in FH before.

Oh La La Yves

read "OpenType User Guide For Adobe Fonts" - www.adobe.com/type/opentype

good stuff



David Hamuel


p.s.

did you try InDesign.....

My mistake James, and I think I found out what caused
the error message in Adobe Illustrator that was the basis
for the confusion on my part. Stupid me...

Sorry for the false alarm, guys.

David, don't rub it in! My moto is: "Try everything,
and when anything else fails, read the friggin' manual."

THX for the link.

> did you try InDesign...

Nah, I still prefer Illustrator for my single page work,
especially when I need Pathfinder and other advanced
features. Don't get me started on Transparency though...

I agree with you Yves, about illustrator, its how the wrapper of the Sabon Next has been done last year, when the specimens themselves done win Indesign. This make sense.


Anyway, not far before the OT support in AI 11.

About OT fonts, when you start to use them, its difficult to work without them. More and more, I do a private version of my PS fonts with some OT features for a particularly job, it help to save time.

I'm not as up-to-date on Illustrator 11 as Jean is; however, I have encountered a similar problem with a corporate identity piece I designed in InDesign. The client came back to me and asked for a .dxf file of the logo for output on a CAD system. Fortunately, I had both the OT and PS version of the font, but had to revert to using an Expert font to get the old style figures. Good thing I didn't need to match the tracking and kerning exactly. Matching the Optical kerning and Optical margin alignment from InDesign in Illustrator would be tedious.

I agree with Yves though, for single pages of closely integrated text and illustration, I still prefer Illustrator.

Bill, you do know that you can convert the fonts to outlines in InDesign, right?

Convert to outlines then you can drop it into Illustrator and export as dxf, complete with all the optical kerning settings and everything.

And Yves, as far as Neutraface's opentype features being poor, are you using the "pro" version of Neutraface or the just plain Opentype version? They have the same glyphs, but the "pro" version is condensed into like 6 files, AFAIK.

Hey, I didn't know that! Is this an upgrade? We only
have the "plain" OpenType version, which is like a
gazillion separate font files. Good thing you tell me.

> Convert to outlines then you can drop it into
Illustrator
I constantly drop vector art from Illustrator to
InDesign and back. Works a treat, I just lurve it!
Just brilliant when you need to align a logo on
the baseline for example.

> Anyway, not far before the OT support in AI 11.
When is it due for release? It was tentatively scheduled
for June, but it's still not there.

> About OT fonts, when you start to use them, it's
difficult to work without them.
Tell me about it! It's incredibly frustrating when I have
to work in QuarkXpress with plain ole' PS1 type.

>Bill, you do know that you can convert the fonts to outlines in InDesign, right? <

Now that I think about it, yes, but at the time, I'd forgotten about that feature. The thing is, that for that iteration of the Logo and address, I designed a slightly different format. (Boxes on plots are soooooo graphically interesting) I needed the type to be type, and not outlines of type. Although, I did convert it to outlines before exporting to .dxf, so maybe my initial surmise was moot. Thank you Chris for reminding me of that feature.

I too look forwards to having more parity in Illustrator with InDesign. Last I heard, it was going to be late Fall before the release, but that was not from a source that I�d bank on.

"Hey, I didn't know that! Is this an upgrade? We only
have the "plain" OpenType version, which is like a
gazillion separate font files. Good thing you tell me."

It's called Neutraface Expert and it's 249 compared to the 199 of the vanilla opentype version. I'm sure if you email them and tell them you have the standard they might let you upgrade to the expert for just the difference.

http://houseind.com/house.php?kit=NEUTRAFACE-FO&sub=pricing

The difference between Neutraface Standard and Expert:

Standard 89 separate files Expert 29 separate files

Thanks to whomever started this thread. It reminded me that I need to remove some files from suitcase.

The pricing is different. But, if you purchase the Expert you also get the Standard. So, should you need to bounce back and forth it is useful.

Well, I can say one thing in my defense for starting
this thread on a wrong assumption:

1) There IS a naming problem. I designed the
cover in Illustrator using the plain PostScript
version of NeutraDisplay Titling, switched to
OpenType to start work on the book itself in
InDesign, and when I opened the cover again
Illustrator/ATM told me the font was missing.
This caused the original confusion.

2) QuarkXPress refuses to print nor to PDF
Neutraface OpenType version: PostScript errors
galore. So there I still have to switch. Don't
ask me why they still make me use QX for
certain jobs. <grrr>

Uh, that's actually two things... Whatever.

I wasn't saying anyone was wrong or right. I was just showing that the Expert set is valuable for more than one reason. Maybe one of the House Industries folk can help us out. Anyone?

That wasn't a reaction to what you were saying, Tiff.
Now don't you go all defensive on me. You know I like
you just the way you are!

"The difference between Neutraface Standard and Expert:

Standard 89 separate files Expert 29 separate files "

Geeze, I could've sworn it was less than that. hmm. Where'd you find that at anyway, I didn't see anything on the site about it...unless you bought it and just counted. heh