A prime example of a mega-corporation not being very original. Too din-esque imo.

As I understand it, becoming conservative comes with becoming a megacorp. Can't bet the farm anymore on the new thing being a fad or the future.

Edit: IMAO, there's more Transport than DIN in it.

There are already typefaces named Clear Sans™ and Clearview®.
What is the status of these trademarks?

>What is the status of these trademarks?

It isn't clear.

LOL!

Since they designed it to reduce ambiguity, why didn't they go a small extra step and also reduce ambiguity under reflection, so that it would be useful for dyslexics?

Perhaps what is needed though are new shapes for the letters, like these

which could be applied to all fonts and eventually all printed material in the Latin alphabet.

Of course, while this change is being made, there might be pressure to also change the lowercase and uppercase forms of the letter "K" to reduce suicidal thoughts...

Or they could re-introduce the Fraktur k -- which looks upside down. ...
Don

> reduce ambiguity under reflection, so that it would be useful for dyslexics?

Popular belief notwithstanding, I have seen no evidence that this is an actual problem for dyslexics in reading (as opposed to in writing). Indeed, the failure of typefaces, designed with this notion in mind, to perform any better for dyslexics than common off-the shelf typefaces, would seem to be reasonably good evidence to the contrary.

@donshottype:
Or they could re-introduce the Fraktur k -- which looks upside down.

It took a quick search to determine which Fraktur k you were referring to. Some typefaces, billed as Fraktur, use a k that looks ordinary; most of the ones I saw had the top part of the K-like portion of the k looped as in handwriting.

But more authentic Fraktur typefaces showed up on Luc Devroye's web site.

Start with a lowercase t. But instead of the letter coming to a point at the top, put serifs there similar to those at the top of the lowercase l.

And then the crossbar: instead of having a curve from the left end of the crossbar going up to the top of the letter, filled in with black, have an upward-sloping curved line that sweeps upward, crosses the vertical of the t, and then sweeps downward.

The shape is, of course, unfamiliar and unrecognizable to readers used to the Roman alphabet. My initial impression was of an r standing on top of a t. But at least it has historical roots, and can be adapted to Roman style faces.

Here's an image of t, l, and k in one authentic Fraktur face:

however, in this one, the sloping line, instead of just curling down, becomes a loop; still, most of my description is illustrated.

Hi John. Here is a bevy of Fraktur upside down k's. In sequence, they are Claudius, Kleist, Justus, Euclid, Leibniz, Luthersche, Walbaum, & Zentenar.
k@cClaudiusKleistJustusEuclidLeibnizLutherscheWalbaumZentenar_3931.jpg">
Just a sample of the many ways to draw your upside down loop.
Don

And here is one without a loop:
Wittenberger Fraktur
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Don

At least I didn't imagine that form of the letter; now, the results Google brings up are of the looped form, and I can't find much in the way of good examples of the one I saw.

For my first post, I posted a thread about the availability of a new typeface I liked. It turned into a discussion on Fraktur letters. Not a good way to start my experience on this website.

Good point Mortimer. I started a new thread "Using Fraktur k as model for upside down k"
http://typophile.com/node/107814
If there is any more discussion of this topic it can go there rather than here.
Don

Well, @MDrucker, that's topic drift to ya... Ah, rice pudding with cherry sauce. And an almond.

There are already typefaces named Clear Sans™ and Clearview®.

It seems that Clear Sans from Intel was released before Clear Sans from Positype, and in any case, I'm not sure 'Clear Sans' will become an ® because its too generic.

Clearview seems different enough from Clear Sans to not cause any confusion.

I'm just delighted this is under Apache, not some hippie "you can't make money if I don't feel like making money" license.

hhp

If you mean the OFL, that one comes from a Christian organisation. Possibly the closest to a hippie licence is the BSD type (the B stands for Berkeley in California), and that one could hardly care less if you productise the material. Bells, Microsoft's TCP/IP protocol stack is rumoured to have come right out of BSD Unix.

I presume that by a "hippie license" he means licenses like the GPL. The restriction in the GPL, though, is not intended to be dog in the mangerish, or anti-capitalist (despite Richard Stallman occasionally engaging in rhetoric of a sort as to give rise to Hrant's comment).

Instead, it's so that one can't make a slight, obvious improvement to a GPL program, copyright the result, and thereby hobble the free version of that program by preventing it from implementing the same improvement.

As for Clear Sans, given that its intended purpose is to be a typeface for user interfaces, it had better be conservative, because who would want to work all day on a computer screen where everything is written in an idiosyncratic typeface?